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- Path: bristlecone.together.net!usenet
- From: krw@together.net
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: Line Conditions vs Speed
- Date: 18 Apr 1996 02:21:53 GMT
- Organization: TGF Internet Services
- Message-ID: <4l4901$5cv@bristlecone.together.net>
- References: <31714b31.14984846@freedom.interealm.com> <4ksaav$14bm@hopi.gate.net>
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- I will try to make this short, and cut the nonsense out. Such garbage has
- been floating about for some time.
-
- In <4ksaav$14bm@hopi.gate.net>, dhaire@gate.net (doug haire) writes:
- ;>Phil Pasteur (ppasteur@nexus.interealm.com) wrote:
- ;>: I posted here asking why my recieve/send speeds as indicated in ATI6 report was
- ;>: so different and what I could do tho help the problem. I only got one response
- ;>: that said these speeds are determined by "line conditions". This is very
- ;>: interesting. Do we not use the same LINE to transmit and recieve data. Is there
- ;>: not only one connection between my modem and the one on the other end.
-
- No you do not. From your modem to the central office (switch) is one line.
- From your ISP's location to their switch is another. Each can have very
- differrent characteristics. Everything in between is digital, even if the
- switches are the same. If your modem detects echoes, or noise it will
- throttle back to maintain its best can-do performance. The modem at the
- other end will do the same. Due to the differences in the two local loops
- the perfomance may differ substantially. V.34 was designed to squeeze
- every bit out of the existing POTS lines. The 33.6 modems just add more
- options for the modems to choose from. It allows more trade-offs between
- signal-to-noise, and bandwidth.
- ;>:
- ;>: In any case I cannot understand why the recieve speed will vary between 24 and
- ;>: 28.8K but the send indication seemingly NEVER varies from 19.2. This amounts to
- ;>: a 33.3% difference in speed for two operations occuring over the same
- ;>: connection!!
-
- It is not the same connection!
-
- ;>: If anyone can give me a better explanation than just the overused "line
- ;>: conditions" ( what conditions, why, why the receive/send difference, can it be
- ;>: fixed) I would greatly appreciate it!!!
-
- I can hope that I helped.
-
- ;>A "line" is composed of TWO paths; the transmit and the receive; the
- ;>modems use each side separately. Your home line is composed of 2 wires,
- ;>one is called the "ring" and the other "tip" (battery and ground,
- ;>respectively). The modem uses each of these wires independently. But
- ;>that's not all. Between telephone offices (and through a number of
- ;>switching machines), the transmit and receive paths are fully separated
- ;>into 2 electrical paths.
-
- This is garbage. The "tip" refers to the literal tip of the old operators
- plug. Just think of Justine (one ringey, dingy...). The ring is the ring
- on the jack for the "common" as it were. The sleve was local ground.
- The 20's terminology is still with us.
-
- In any case, bot communications paths are over both the "tip" and "ring"
- just as they are when you talk to your neighbor. This is full duplex too.
- >
- >That's how you can have different speeds in each direction.
- >
- Wrong.
-
- /----------------------------------------------------------
- / Keith R. Williams
- / krw@together.net
- / Burlington Vermont
-
-